Mouth Rot (pic)

[The Snake Guru]

Just for anyone who wishes to see what Mouth rot looks like, otherwise known as Stomotis (sp?) Figured I would post this up for reference:

Pic Taken of a Young Blood Python:

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r157/thesnakeguru/Snake%20Health/Stomotis1.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r157/thesnakeguru/Snake%20Health/FullOpen2SM.jpg

[Lorelei]

poor baby

[The Snake Guru]

Yeah that was sad deal. But for educational purposes I decided to snap some shots so that people who had questions about it could at least see what it looks like.

~B~

[ffollett]

We have had to deal with that with some rescues that have come in. It is never fun.

[The Snake Guru]

Yeah I hear that man. It really can be a pain to cure, and keep cured, seems like once they get it they are much more susceptable to it in the future as well.

~B~

[Basil]

Poor snake! :( That's nasty stuff!

[The Snake Guru]

Yeah pain in the rear to cure too.
But according to the shop that pic above was only a "minor case" .... uh huh, sure....whatever!

~B~

[TonyS]

That is a sad thing to see always and ever and hard to cure but thanks for those pics brad I think many people can recognize this early from seeing that!

[JenHarmon]

How sad....hope I never have to deal with that.

[JordanM]

It's stinky too, I've had to deal with it in animals that came in before too. Never fun cleaning a 6' 30lb bloods mouth out with listerine..

[Troy]

The pic is sad, but helps show what to look for! troy

[The Snake Guru]

Yes it is indeed very sad, especially when 8 times out of 10 it has to do with improper husbandry....not always but most times. But if the picture helps identify it and get treatment to the animal sooner...then it is helping at least.

~B~

[BnC Snakes]

I have always referred to it as a mouth full of parmesion cheese for lack of a better description. Once they have it once it always seems to come back!

[The Snake Guru]

That's very true....it can be very hard to completely cure, and even so they also seem much more susceptable to U.Rs and other Respitory ailments.

~B~

[ffollett]

Talking about how bad it can get. We got a boa in that it had eaten all the way down to the bone.

[The Snake Guru]

That's nasty!
This one was getting close....the teeth were already completely rotted away and the gums were hard as rocks.

Bad stuff.
~B~

[serpent sister]

outch how do snake catch it

[The Snake Guru]

Can be from improper caging conditions, Contact with another affected snake, some wild caughts come in with it already in full swing....mostly though it's from the improper cage conditions, starting off as a upper respitory, and going to a full blown infection.

~B~

[serpent sister]

Can be from improper caging conditions, Contact with another affected snake, some wild caughts come in with it already in full swing....mostly though it's from the improper cage conditions, starting off as a upper respitory, and going to a full blown infection.

~B~

if ya dont mind me askin whos snake is it as i know u keep ur enclosers tiptop was it a rescue

[The Snake Guru]

It was actually a snake that came in on a shipment, of which I noticed there was something very wrong immediately, it has since been returned to it's place of origin.

~B~

[serpent sister]

It was actually a snake that came in on a shipment, of which I noticed there was something very wrong immediately, it has since been returned to it's place of origin.

~B~

i knew one o ur could not have caught it was it from a breeder omg if it was the nerve

[The Snake Guru]

Yeah it was just a bum deal all around. And a lot of phone calls back and fourth. LOL

~B~

[8b8ll]

Bummer.....

Can't imagine having mout rot...:Cry:

Thanks for sharing though...people always bring up mouth rot,Ri ect. but rarley are there pictures of the illness.

Hopefully you won't be posting any illness pictures in the future!!


Mike

[The Snake Guru]

LOL....not very likely man, to tell you the truth I rarely run into many issues....unless they come in messed up in some way.

~B~

[TonyS]

Oh wait I remember this brad! That guy and all the dickness on the other forum (sorry I dont know if im allowed to say other forums here)

I thankfully have not had to deal with this and hopefully never will but just in case once you spot this and I know its hard to cure but if caught early in case anyones wondering how do you take care of it asap?

[The Snake Guru]

Well if you are going to cure it, it usually takes Baytril injections, and bi-daily swabbings of the mouth area with saline and/or betadine solution to clean out all the infected masses. In severe cases minor surgery my be required to removed the dead flesh or any masses of infection that may be laying beneath the tissue.

It really is a pain, of 4 cases that I have tried to treat 2 died early on in the beginning of the treatment phase (most likely reacting to the Baytril injections), 3rd case kicked it the 1st round, only to succum to it on round 2, the 4th made it quite a while....but yeah not very good odds. The problem is when the infection makes it into the blood stream, just a bad deal.

~B~

~B~

[Robilyn]

Wow I'm late to this one...

Thanks for the educational photo, Brad. You know I am no stranger to stomatitis. Yuck. For anyone that doesn't know, I actually lost my Borneo to it, although it is of some interest that her mouth rot was a symptom of a depressed immune system caused by a rare form of leukemia called granulocytic sarcoma. She had to be euthanized, and several weeks later my vet called with the details of the leukemia and that it was rare enough, they were publishing the case. Let's hope it helps diagnose other patients! I was told it was only the second published occurrence of the disease in snakes.

[The Snake Guru]

Speaking of which have you heard anything developing from that yet? Like when the release date is?

~B~

[Robilyn]

No but I can call and check!

[The Snake Guru]

That'd be great Robyn! I'm really interested to read that report.

~B~

[Jess]

Brad I didn't see this before.
I thought it was a great Idea, So people could see what it is.

Maybe you could tell us how these poor snakes get it. And how you treat it?
Oh yeah, What to do so they DON"T get it!!
Just a thought.
Jess


Just for anyone who wishes to see what Mouth rot looks like, otherwise known as Stomotis (sp?) Figured I would post this up for reference:

Pic Taken of a Young Blood Python:

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r157/thesnakeguru/FullOpen2.jpg

[The Snake Guru]

Well thank you Jess,

I think that was actually discussed a little bit in this thread already. But 80% of the time Muth Rot occurs from poor husbandry practices. The other times it is a side effect of imports coming in with it, or reoccurances from snakes that have it once before.

Treatment is difficult but usually runs along the lines of Baytril injections Or some for of anti-biotic, along with daily or bi-daily mouth sabbings with saline solution/bettadine solutions. It is usually a long recovery process, and only about a 40 to 50% survival rate...a lot of times the anti-biotic injections take thier toll on the snake before the infection is cured....older snakes have a better survival rate than youngsters.

~B~

[Jess]

I guess I should of read more before posting. My bad!
Very good answer!
I guess I understand how they get it being wild caught ( Imported). But, when it happends with CCB snake. I guess I don't get it.
Snakes are great pets. If you don't want to take care of something. Don't get it.
Jess
Well thank you Jess,

I think that was actually discussed a little bit in this thread already. But 80% of the time Muth Rot occurs from poor husbandry practices. The other times it is a side effect of imports coming in with it, or reoccurances from snakes that have it once before.

Treatment is difficult but usually runs along the lines of Baytril injections Or some for of anti-biotic, along with daily or bi-daily mouth sabbings with saline solution/bettadine solutions. It is usually a long recovery process, and only about a 40 to 50% survival rate...a lot of times the anti-biotic injections take thier toll on the snake before the infection is cured....older snakes have a better survival rate than youngsters.

~B~

[The Snake Guru]

I guess I should of read more before posting. My bad!
Very good answer!
I guess I understand how they get it being wild caught ( Imported). But, when it happends with CCB snake. I guess I don't get it.
Snakes are great pets. If you don't want to take care of something. Don't get it.
Jess

Well issues with this species usually arise with improper humidity.....to wet+to cold, usually starts of the beginning of a nice UR and then let go long enough it starts to get more serious. But also Unkept cages, with filthy substrate, poor ventalation....all these can lead to issues. Not everyone does the research they should before acquiring such snakes....that's usually where the issue arises.

~B~

[n5zow]

Thats just nasty. I hope my snakes never get that. Are there things that people do wrong to make mouth rot more likely? What are some of the common causes of mouth rot? I see a lot of info here . Are theu any care sheets specific for taking care of mouth rot?

[The Snake Guru]

Well I've already listed all the causes I could think of.

There are some sheets out on the net, but a case of Mouthrot usually involves a trip to the vet for sure.

~B~