Egg help needed....

[Osep Judoka]

Isis laid eggs about 30 days ago. However, they seem to be shriveling up on me. temps are fine. Thinking maybe too much humidity. Using no substrate with an inch of water in egg container. No fan, didn't want to dry them out. Might have been my mistake. What do you think??? Any help or advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Jeremy
Formerly Darth Orey on Hissnherss.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v736/JPeso/eggs002.jpg
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[Juggalo]

wow I don't know I always use the vermiculite and a lid I am not sure what would cause that...

[bebo]

From the looks of the condensation on the sides, your using a lid. Correct? I'm not familiar with bp eggs specifically along with Sam.

I just started using the same incubation method this year. One thing I noticed is if a good enough seal is not attained with the top/lid drying out can occur.

But I can't say for sure thats the case here. Hopefully someone else more familiar with bp's and this method as well can help out.

[Osep Judoka]

Yep, in a big cooler with lid. No lid on egg container. Def not dry. Water runs down the back as soon as I open it to take the new pictures. I'm thinking maybe too wet. I just dropped a 12 V fan down in there reduced to 6 volts. A little circulation might help. Eggs were laid April 7th. My first attempt. My nerves are shot.

[Juggalo]

man you are close so if you can keep them good for a little longer you should have babies we will keep our fingers crossed for you....

[NorthernRegius.com]

Eggs are fine so far, but I'd use a lid- it keeps the circulation down over the clutch. You can put the lid on the container, and take a wet paper towel, wrung out & place it over the eggs. This should help plump them back up a bit.

all the Best -Deb

[Aj_Balls]

Definitely use a lid on the egg container. They look dried out. They'd look completely different if they were too wet.

[bebo]

Eggs are fine so far, but I'd use a lid- it keeps the circulation down over the clutch. You can put the lid on the container, and take a wet paper towel, wrung out & place it over the eggs. This should help plump them back up a bit.

all the Best -Deb

Thats what i was thinking Deb. ;) Just wasn't sure if there was any difference between burm eggs and bp eggs,lol.

[The Snake Guru]

What exactly is the humidity in the egg container?

I'm inlcined to agree though...look like they are drying out.

~B~

[Osep Judoka]

Humidity is high. Condensation drips off the lid occasionally. Sealed a plexi view screen on top of the cooler which usually condensates. Water is abundant in the cooler. Running to the back as soon as I open the cooler. Could the eggs still be dry with this much humidity? Has to be 100 percent. Put a lid on the egg container though. Don't know about the towel. Thanks all.

[NorthernRegius.com]

Humidity is high. Condensation drips off the lid occasionally. Sealed a plexi view screen on top of the cooler which usually condensates. Water is abundant in the cooler. Running to the back as soon as I open the cooler. Could the eggs still be dry with this much humidity? Has to be 100 percent. Put a lid on the egg container though. Don't know about the towel. Thanks all.
The wrung out paper towel is a VERY old trick that some of the Mods on Fauna have used... I pass it on to you. But you don't need it at this point, your eggs aren't that badly dented. Yes, your RH is good, but there was just too much circulation over the top of the clutch. I've hatched out way worse dented than what you have & don't be too shocked when they REALLY start denting in about 7-10 days before they pip. It's all good... look forward to seeing those babies. -Deb

[The Snake Guru]

Humidity is high. Condensation drips off the lid occasionally. Sealed a plexi view screen on top of the cooler which usually condensates. Water is abundant in the cooler. Running to the back as soon as I open the cooler. Could the eggs still be dry with this much humidity? Has to be 100 percent. Put a lid on the egg container though. Don't know about the towel. Thanks all.

Gauges are a good thing, I strongly suggest getting both a temperature and humidity gauge in there so you can monitor what exactly is going on....this will alleaviate many an issue as you will be able to tell at glance what is going on within your incubation chamber. Just because there is condensation collection doesn't mean it is 100%, condensation begins to form at 70%, with no airflow (or little airflow) it could be all the time....but still wouldn't be humid enough for the eggs which should be running in the 80 to 90% range.

Hope they turn around for you.
~B~

[Osep Judoka]

I had two thermometers/hygrometers. One inside and one outside. One inside you can see in the picture but has condensation all up inside it now and no longer works. One outside ran out of batteries. I'll throw one in it and place it in the incubator tonight. I'll let you know. Thanks.

[Osep Judoka]

Hygrometer justs reads high. Don't really trust the thermometers. Both read over 94 degrees but spyderrobotics thermostat and temp gun read right on 89 degrees on the eggs.

[Osep Judoka]

Put the damp paper towel in there also, thanks Deb. Figured I'd add a couple pictures of the parents as well.
Dad
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v736/JPeso/lucious2.jpg
Mom
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[NorthernRegius.com]

RH is above 90% on most when it says high, personnaly I've never directly measured RH in my incubator... I use a closed container with vermiculite medium mixed with water until it clumps, sprinkle a dry layer on top and place eggs. If I see denting before day 40-45 I add water along the sides away from the eggs or use a damp paper towel to keep them plump.

However have had perfectly fine eggs dimple & hatch out, sometimes they just do that. I just make sure to not invert the eggs or get them WET those two things will kill them. I even taped a weak spot on one last year & it hatched out fine. Eggs are funny things.

BTW-Good looking parents.

[SnakeGirl]

I agree--very nice looking parents! That is one beautiful pastel; I've never seen a pastel's colors show up so nicely in a photo! His must be extraordinary in person!!!!

Woulda helped ya out with this question but I've never used your method before, only the vermiculite/perlite mixture method (along with the sand method that didn't work and the spaghnum moss method that didn't work ;)). But it looks like Deb and Brad answered your questions. I hope everything works out for you--those will sure be some beautiful pastel babies from the looks of the father! We expect pics! :lol: :nod: